"A Remedy to Cure all Ills" can only be a lie. But wouldn't it be great if something like this existed?
Uther feels the same but makes a fatal mistake...
Please discuss here :-)
"A Remedy to Cure all Ills" can only be a lie. But wouldn't it be great if something like this existed?
Uther feels the same but makes a fatal mistake...
Please discuss here :-)
Hi Elena. What you wrote here:
"you know what i hated how magana died should died by a battle y getting stabed what the fudg"
I wasn't a fan of Morgana (anymore, since season three) but yes, her death was very unspectacular. Having a character like her for five seasons and then she's just killed within a few seconds and forgotten again, as if she had never even been there.
But what can say? To me the entire finale was a terrible disaster. As were season four and five.
yeah we waiting for this fantastic ending and what do you get you get mongana stabed what the hell and if arthur hadn't of had that hour rest he might of lived but he did need i guess and all the good guys die and you see merlin walking beside a road guessing the castle wax found and others and made an mussem and he couldnt of lived there anymore :(
"I think that Season Three was a wasted opportunity because, had they not had Morgana turn evil, they could have had her genuinely rebuild her relationship with Uther and both of them would have had to struggle with their bond as father and daughter versus the bad blood over magic. They could have had a lot to explore. Had Uther been able to accept Morgana's magic out of love for his daughter, would it have been a line in the sand or the thin edge of a wedge? How would Morgana have dealt with the idea of being the only person with magic who was completely safe from persecution? It's a fanfic I'd like to read."
Me too. So you better hurry and write a fanfic about it! :-D My English skills are not good enough to write one and I wouldn't have time to write anyway. However, I'm currently reading a fanfic that, so far, seems to give some answers about the entire Uther-thing and the Old Religion, the Great Purge, Morgana etc... Quite interesting.
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Me 3. I would like to read how their dynamics change. Does Uther totally protect her, does he give up his suspicion of magic now that his own flesh and blood is born with it. What happens where there is any trouble knocking at the door. Does he apply for magical cure, pushing Morgana to use her powers to aid him in administration? Would he come public with it? Both the info. If something magical happens in Camelot, good or bad, of which he has no prior knowledge, will he be able not to suspect that his daughter might have some hand in it. How would he stop from doubting her intentions? How would Morgana react, now knowing she is royal blood but still she is number 2, as Arthur gets the throne. Now that they know they are the closest thing to family, would they help each other or constantly plot against each other. How easy would it be for Merlin to practice his skill in the palace? Could he maybe confess to Morgana. Could they become friends like they used to be before he poisoned her? Could Morgana open up about how much it actually hurt her that her friend would not believe her and had he told her the truth she would willingly have helped him get rid of plague? Would Merlin help her as a fellow being with magic or only support Arthur even if it means goin against her. What if there is a romantic angle, just for fun. Or would Uther just banish her and condemn her magic, to protect Arthur, the legitimate heir to the throne. So many interesting speculations!!!
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As for turning Morgana evil and dropping the potential to create a more positive relationship between Uther and Morgana, I'm pretty sure that it would have upstaged the Merlin/Arthur story and it would have taken away the focus on the banter and the journey of them. The entire Morgana/Uther story was - sorry to say - too intelligent for the show. It would have become a show on its own and naturally, they both would have been in the centre of the events which would have been something that the show wasn't supposed to be about. Given that the target audience wanted to see Arthur and Merlin and that the stories became more simplistic in the last two seasons, the Morgana/Uther-relationship would have delivered different stories that would have been for a different audience. No banter, no naive storylines but more serious, complex and adult storylines.
When looking back at the seasons, every interesting, multidimensional and mature character was either killed off or being put in the background or changed. Guest stars as well as main protagonists. Tristan and Isolde, Ruadan, Uther, Lancelot, the Diamair... Kilgharrah hardly appeared, Gaius was put in the background and had no important things to do anymore (his entire past, the Great Purge, his relationship with Uther and the dragon, all gone poof), Morgana was changed into a caricature of herself. They all would have taken over the show and distracted from the juvenile bromance. Which is one of the reasons why Merlin and Arthur (together) irritated me a lot as the show proceeded because every time an interesting plotline or character started to develop, it was/they were sacrificed again in order to focus on Arthur bantering with Merlin and taking him on missions with campfires and whatnot. I liked them both, just not when they were together. Arthur was great with Uther and Mithian but boring with Merlin and Gwen. Merlin was great with Gwen, Gaius, Morgana and Uther, also with Lancelot and Gwaine, but boring with Arthur. Gaius and Uther were great with really everyone, as was Lancelot.
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Merlin is the hero of the show and Arthur is his unknowing sidekick. So its natural there will be loads of scenes of them together. But I don’t know why you think their scenes were not great. Some of them were quite good; I enjoyed their banter a lot. That being said, word on wastage of character development and complicated character. Do you watch the show Once upon a time? Fantasy/ real world drama. I think I read somewhere you do. I like that show for the way they develop characters. Yes the show has its share of mishaps and bloopers, but overall, the plot lines tie together nicely and none of the characters are uni-dimensional. Everyone has their backstory nicely etched out or forming into a nice shape. And side characters are also given time and interactions with each other and main characters. This show could have done that. I suppose for that, you need to think far ahead and plot accordingly spreading the plotline into small story arcs. Quite like Rowling and her HP series. The way she tied everything down, even though the end was a bit of deux ex machina, still. Its refreshing the way all the plotlines, right from beginning tied down together.
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As for Uther asking Nimueh, as I understand it, Uther sent Gaius to Nimueh on his behalf. So according to my understanding, Uther indeed was the one who asked for magical help and Nimueh granted him his wish, yet she was indeed the one who chose Igraine, as was stated by both Merlin and Gaius. Before Igraine died, Uther obviously had no big problem with magic, at least he tolreated it and also was friends with Nimueh (as stated by Nimueh herself). I would imgagine that he thought that magic could only be controlled with magic, which might be the reason why he was friends with a High Priestess. Maybe he saw it in a similar way like Gaius or Merlin did, that magic was simply a tool and not evil itself at that point of time, until he saw that it always corrupted.
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Power corrupts all the time, it can corrupt even the best intentions. That’s why one who yields power have to have immaculate integrity and strength of character. Even Uther was corrupted by his power.
However I do not think he was really “friends” with Nimueh. Rather a strategic ally. Friends do not turn on friends so easily. They are supposed to stick together through thick and thin.
"Power corrupts all the time, it can corrupt even the best intentions. That’s why one who yields power have to have immaculate integrity and strength of character. Even Uther was corrupted by his power. "
Totally, yes. That's why he obviously realised that no one could ever control either magic or the own desire to use it. Imagine, in reality and our time, let's say half of the human population had or used magic and the other half doesn't. Including magic that makes people being possessed and manipulates them, opens the veils to the Spirit World, brings back the dead, creates immortal armies and controls the elements.... What a chaos! We would have destroyed this planet already. Even minor and a little more harmless magic would be used for selfish and wrong reasons. The good magic could never outweigh what people would do with real powers that would destroy everything. What people try to achieve today, with technology and weapons, is nothing compared to such magic we've seen on the show because while, for example, nuclear weapons are not really available for every person on the street, magic would get its grip on ordinary people as well as on leaders and governments. In our world and reality, we have to keep a balance between megalomania and sense and we know that we are not all powerful and that we depend on others. Now give people like dictators, racists, mass murders/serial killers and everyone else the power of magic... we wouldn't survive a year.
As for Nimueh, she said to Uther that they were friends. I believe that they really were - but, honestly, if my friend betrayed me and killed my loved one, I wouldn't stick together with them anymore.... In my opinion, the friendship was one-sided and Nimueh actually used Uther for whatever purpose and reason.
Yes, I watch Once Upon a Time and I think it's great. Much better quality than Merlin was since season four and five. I like how they connect everyone to each other, how the stories are developed and the way they develop from the characters. The characters aren't used to serve a story like Merlin's season four and five did, but the other way around: the stories develop from the character's progression. It's really a great show.
Yes, of course Merlin and Arthur were the main protagonists and it's only natural that they were the focus of the show. But at the same time, their story and relatinship killed every other interesting story and character development. Why else are there so many plotholes and inconsistencies? So many plotlines and characters have been thrown out of the window in order to show us Merlin and Arthur having campfires and confessing their friendship to each other. That was extremely boring to me.
Yes, Exactly. Given the inherent human nature of self preservation, self centeredness and self progression, it would be a total chaos. We already are in a chaotic world, with ample example of what happens when undeserving people get the power and only a select few are chosen to be the inner circle of power, politics nowadays, had there been such an aphrodisiac like magic in it, it would have been disaster.
Thats where the plot has loopholes. Had Nimueh intentionally betrayed him and killed his loved one, or it was an accident and she had no more control on it than he did.
Actually even in the first 3 seasons, now looking backwards, the plot did not really have any direction. Characters came in randomly and vanished, to come up at a later time or not.
Although sometimes I feel OUAT writers make it too intricate and bring in too many people and make it a bit congested.
I know, those fireside confessions at a dense forest of how great a friend you are, how great a leader you are, how brave you are, I will never leave your , are so repetitive and funny. Specially because after 10 minutes, in same episode, Arthur will flip around.
BTW: Was watching servant of two masters and it was quite clear something happened for the rockfall, and Merlin was saying or doing something, but even then Arthur never suspects Merlin maybe more than what he seems? Boy he was made extra thick just for the heck of it I feel. Even the leads of the shows were stereotyped.
Guys, one question, probably anybody knows, what's this ost playing in the very beginning of the episode, when a beatle comes into Morgana's ear, and then when Edwin stays with Uther in the end? Tried to find it but failed, Shazam says nothing(
Right, interesting posts here too- I would agree with Fimber that while Edwin's backstory had the potential to make him sympathetic, the way he is portrayed makes him vile
I've already said my opinion on a few of the characters above, won't write it here, because it's not personally relevant to my comment haha
And eh, not really agreeing about OUAT- I find it slow and convoluted- I love Merlin more
Oh yeah, and I agree this is one of the episodes which gives a more well-rounded view of Uther, where there are parts that even I could understand, and even sympathise with him