Board Thread:Rewatching "Merlin" - Season Four/@comment-5102537-20131103103427/@comment-5102537-20131105173437

Ah, I see what you mean about Morgana's plans, Ongard Odin. Yes, this makes sense, at least if she had a plan B to close the veil again and stop the Dorocha from killing really everyone in the land. I was missing another option for her in case that Arthur survives and/or the dorocha wipe out the population. I think they could have let her mention the details of her and Morgause's plan because the way it was done, it didn't make much sense. And Morgana choosing someone to be sacrificed in order to close the veil would have been a good idea either, since she had already been described as being ruthless.

I agree with you on Uther completely. Before "The Wicked Day" I had still hoped and expected that he would recover somehow and in some way. So much would have changed and the dynamic of the characters and the story would have been pushed a lot.

I also agree with you on Morgause and Agravaine. The reason why he hated Uther could only be explained by Igraine's death. However, that would mean that he knew of the deal with Nimueh. But Agravaine was quite cool with magic, obviously, so why casting a stone at Uther for using magic when Uther himself didn't have a problem with magic with magic either at that point of time? Agravaine should have realised that the Old Religion/Nimueh took Igraine's life, not Uther. Uther didn't know that Igraine would die.

So if he knew about the deal, why did he never ever tell Arthur about it when Arthur was younger and why didn't Uther worry that Agravaine might? If Agravaine was mad at Uther because of using magic - for whatever weird reason - why did he never try to take revenge? It would have been easy for him to join others who hated Uther. Like Odin he could have sent an assassin or could have used any other option to take revenge (for whatever reason).

Yes, hating Arthur was even more implausible since Arthur was completely innocent in the whole thing. If he hated Arthur because he loved Morgana and Morgana maybe told him lies about Arthur, fine. A little unbelievable because Arthur was his nephew after all, but okay. Wouldn't have been hard for the showrunners to give any reason for his hatred. And why did he love Morgana and in what way, how did he know her? Was it some kind of a fatherly love or was it passion or what?

At first I thought that Agravaine was Morgana's real father and that Uther was only led to believe that he was.

It would have been fantastic to catch a glimpse of what the afterlife looks like, had they shown the scene with Morgause. It's true, she was killed quickly and all of a sudden, something which disappointed her fans. Eliminating her entire storyline was extremely disappointing. I was never a fan of her because she was too evil for my taste, but  wanted to know what her story was all about regarding the situation with her mother, Igraine and everyone else.

And even if we could think of her reasons for hating Uther, her real motivations were never ever mentioned at all.

And I agree with you again, this time on Lancelot :-D Couldn't have said it better.

Just the situation with Gwen taking care of Uther was quite disturbing to me. I think it was tactless beyond believe. had Uther ever recovered he surely would have been angry at Arthur for giving Gwen the job. Not because he hated her, which he didn't but because Arthur had put him into an extremely humiliating and embarassing situation.

I too think that neither Arthur nor anyone else had ever considered that Gwen would be a constant reminder of Morgana to Uther (as ReganX had stated out weeks ago so perfectly well) but that's one of the things I disapproved of on the show - the complete lack of tact and thoughtfulness of the protagonists.

Imagine one would find embarassing pictures of dead loved ones. The dead loved ones wouldn't mind since they're dead, yet nobody in their right senses would think of putting them on the internet in order to humiliate them. So it doesn't matter if Uther really cared about Gwen being his nurse, the very fact that he was humiliated in front of her was enough. Arthur and Gaius should have taken this into consideration, but I think they simply didn't care about that.