User blog comment:Fimber/When family is what destroys you/@comment-67.239.100.57-20121123082221/@comment-5684105-20121124020416

“I think you missed my point in many ways, plus you ignored half of what I wrote about Uther being proud of Arthur for who and what he is even when he acted against Uther's wishes and traditions. Instead you base your opinion on the latest Uther-episode in which his character was changed and turned and that made a mockery of him.”

The reason I ignored half of what you wrote is because I had already addressed this in my first post and I could go on and on and on. I had to cut somewhere. This is what I said before:

“Arthur hid much of his doings and beliefs from his father, so Uther presumed Arthur would follow his teachings and was proud of his son. Do you think Uther would have been proud of his son during life if he knew Arthur “bargained with a sorcerer” in “The Labyrinth of Gedref”? That he saved Mordred because he was an innocent child? That he helped his peasant, servant friend protect his village in “The Moment of Truth”? That he went to save Gwen from Hengist and fell in love with her? That he went to save Elyan from Cenred? No, Uther would have never approved of so much Arthur did and stood for and would have never stood for or tolerated it while he was alive. Why would he do so after death? If he would have known of these things while he was alive, he would have given his “you’re not ready to be king, you don’t understand what it takes to be king” speech and would have surely punished Arthur.”

I could go on with more examples…

To Uther, Arthur was his heir, his pride and joy, the one who would carry on his name and legacy, not only his child. What would Uther have done if Arthur had changed his views on magic? Do you still think he would have been proud of him? Never. But Arthur HAS gone against so many other things Uther stood for and the same applies.

If you think I am might be too young to understand “not loving your children enough” (which I am not), then I can say you must be very, very naïve. Of course with TRUE love there is no “half way”. But the world is full of those that neglect their children to various degrees, but in other ways take care of them and defend them from harm. They look after and care for their bodily welfare to the death, do ANYTHING for them, but completely neglect them emotionally, socially etc. And much of the time they do this because they “don’t love them enough”, or since you don’t like that phrase, they are selfish and love themselves and their own ideas more. The world is full of this type of parents and I say is Uther is one of them. I have already gone into why Uther falls into that category.

“Let me get some facts straight: Uther never directly threatened Morgana to kill her, not even in the conversation you quoted.”

I never said he directly threatened anything, but he said it nevertheless. Even Tony Head said that if Uther had found out about Morgana’s magic he would have had her executed. (No, this isn’t proof that my position is true, I’m not saying that, it just makes me feel better that somebody else thinks that Uther, if he had to, would put his own ideas first!).

“Merlin would have let Uther die if it wasn't for Arthur.” If you wanted to we could argue what constitutes a just war. If Merlin didn’t know Arthur, or if there was no prophesy concerning him would Merlin have fought against Camelot? Would it be just for sorcerers to wage war against Uther for their freedom? As long as innocents are not targeted? (Which people like Morgause and Morgana think is perfectly fine.) Just kidding I don’t want to argue this point! But, oh my, would that open up a can of worms!

“Yet, even though Arthur tells Merlin clearly that the land was almost destroyed by magic when when Uther took the throne, Uther is the bad guy because he outlawed magic?” This is Uther’s point of view!!! Of course he would say that.

“In the end, because of Merlin only, people think that magic should come back. But why when it it's cruel and cold and enslaves people and when it had almost destroyed the land before Uther conquered it?”

Because, for one thing, some people are born with the ability. Uther slaughtered hundreds of innocents for what they were born with, not because they did anything dangerous. He even drowned children. And the land was enslaved by magic before the purge? That’s what Uther told Arthur, but according to Gaius’s more balanced POV, yes people used it for evil, but some also used it for good. What Uther did in the purge amounts to genocide, plain and simple. I can’t believe I am arguing this with someone who has watched the show!

“Yes, Uther was the one who was supposed to be responsible for Arthur's actions in His Father's Son because Arthur didn't question Agravaine's advice just for a second. Arthur knew that his father would have never done such a stupid thing because he wanted peace and not war, yet Arthur listened to Agravaine without objection. So the viewer was supposed to believe that Uther would have done the same which was emphasized later when Annis compared insane and evil Morgana to Uther, even though it was Uther who had a peace contract with Caerleon and Arthur was the one who broke it. The entire epsiode was aimed at Uther being the ass again and Arthur learning his lesson. And being rewarded for his homicide in the end ;-)”

Wrong, wrong, wrong! This is not what was going on. I give up. This is so inaccurate. Arthur was the one that broke the peace contract? (I won’t even touch the other points in your statement.) That was not the case! ? Caerleon broke it by invading Camelot. Below are some lines from the episode:

“This is not the first time he's trespassed on our lands”…” Only last week he seized the village of Stonedown on the western borders”… “We're not on the borders now, Agravaine. This is the heart of the kingdom.”

No wonder all the heroes in “Merlin” aren’t heroes in your book. They don’t have a chance because they are getting blamed for what they didn’t do.

There is no reason to continue this discussion. We will never get anywhere and will keep arguing in circles. And yes, I ignored more of what you said simply because I do not have the time nor the interest to present a counter argument to everything that I disagree with. I just picked the things that bothered me the most.

You said: “Merlin" has become totally ridiculous. What a shame, it used to be such a great show.

Well I say: '''This argument has become totally ridiculous. What a shame, "Merlin" is such a great show.'''



