Board Thread:Rewatching "Merlin" - Season One/@comment-5102537-20130316141226/@comment-6905051-20130325075811

''Sorry Rubelle, I didn't see your posting when I responded. I don't think it had to do with the fact that Lancelot would be more grateful and loyal to Arthur. He had many flaws but jelousy was nothing he had ever shown on the show. He also knew that Merlin was most loyal to Arthur and he was glad about it, as was evident when he talked to Merlin in "Excalibur" and then even trusted Merlin with Arthur's life by asking him to take care of his son. Great loyalty towards Arthur would have been something he would wish for his son because it would mean even more protection. ''

Finally The quote worked in this computer:) Never mind. I think such behaviour is not possible for Uther either but I was just tossing the idea around. I read a bit of World HIstory, and mostly it showed Kingdom during middle ages were rife with such problems. But depending upon the concept of this show, and UThers extreme protective nature towards Arthur, I highly doubt my theory, but as I said I  had to get it out.

''Yes, totally. I completely agree with you, ReganX. It baffled me when I heard it the first time already and I didn't know who behaved worse - Gwen or Arthur? And this wasn't the only time that Gwen made clear that she completely disrespected the fact that she was talking to Uther's son when she had told Arthur in season one already that she thought he was a better man. This was also very rude and and insulting to both Uther and Arthur. What she thinks is one thing, but telling it the son of the one she  belittles is downright tactless and rude. ''



What I found even more interesting is, Arthur not protesting it, like he was okay with the fact she can wait or that she can say such a thing. It would have been understood had Uther done something terrible to separate them or had the pair being completely in love, to such an extent, that they were ready to defy anything. But the story that was formed till then, did not really potray them to be  desperately in love picture, so that statement comes off as a bit off tangent.

As for the second part, what she said in season1 and Arthur not protesting, maybe its because Arthur himself thought so in his mind, subconsciously and sought to seek validation of it. I would not put it past a prince. Deny as much as we want, members of ruling family never really  had a typical family bonding in those days. That does not forgive the plot loopholes though.

''And she repeated it when she took care of Uther and told Gaius as well as Arthur that she wasn't doing it for Uther but for Arthur. A lot of fans think that this was totally understandable and alright, but they obviously miss the fact that actually Arthur should defend his father instead of tolerating - even agreeing with - insulting his own father. And Gwen should have asked herself if it was polite and alright to speak that way of Uther in front of Arthur when she knew that Arthur loved his father and especially when Uther was completely broken and helpless. ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN"> TBH, I think we need to cut Gwen some slack here. Even if what she said was wrong in series 1 and series 3 and I think she is wrong; it is a bit too much to expect someone to take care of someone else, out of the sheer love and duty for that person, when he was responsible for unreasonable  execution of your own father. Not to mention, Uther accused Gwen of sorcery  multiple times as well. IF it was me, it would have been hard for me to tolerate  such a person, much less take care. But the time we are talking about, feelings of serfs or servants were not considered that much even by themselves, hence she was back in taking care of Uther, but offcourse she did not like it a bit. By now she knew she would be Arthur's queen one day, hence her assertive and daring nature. She was truly doing it for the man she loves and I don't see anything wrong in her admitting it. OTAH, Arthur entrusted her for Uther, knowing she will take good care of Uther, because she loved him. That would be then Arthur's fault. However I cannot blame him totally too. He did what he thought was best for his father and also it helped him keep Gwen near himself. So it was killing two birds in one stone. I think he couldn't trust anyone else other than those who helped him get back his kingdom. he could not tell his knights to act as servant. Gwen was officially a servent then. the only other person was Merlin. But with a boss like Arthur, Merlin was 24*7 occupied as it is( besides trying to save the world and Arthur's life without his knowledge). He discussed sensitive issues with Uther while he was being taken care of, he just could not place a random servant in that room. For all we know, he/she could have been morgana's spy.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">While standing there and receiving insults of his father was wrong, Arthur I fear did not have much choice. Uther was merciless to Gwen on many occassions and he had to face the music. one can  say it was not noble of Gwen to speak like that, but it is too much to expect from anyone to hold back either. We would all be saints then.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">''<span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">And Arthur didn't seem to have a problem to blame his dead father in front of everyone and in front of Morgana for Morgana's behaviour instead of telling her how different she was from Uther by killing her own father and by trying to kill her own family and friends, by torturing and by enjoying the misery of others, something which Uther had never done and would have never done. There was only one situation in which Arthur at least tried to defend his father a bit, which was when Gwaine spoke ill of Uther and Arthur responded "careful. He's still my father." Every other time he not only accepted and tolerated others speaking ill of Uther but he even did it himself. ''<span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">Thing is, Uther mercilessly executed people, even little boys. Remember his paranoid behaviour and desperate attempt to execute Mordred on the show itself? Not to mention, how many times it has been mentioned Uther waged a war against all things magical and how he extinguished families, and  races even? It has been implied manytimes, Uther ruthlessly eliminated people without pausing for reason. How is it not causing misery to others, have you seen him repent for that ever? Not to mention the seed of it lies in its own selfih behaviour. He used his power and power of his state for his personal vengeance against something which happened because of his personal wish. So not much different from Morgana either. Yes Morgana was twisted and enjoyed torturing other, but she turned evil, All evil people do that. *stereotype alert*. BTW no one really knew Morgana killed Uther, it was known to viewers only.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">As I said before, there was not much shown in the show about Uther, based on which one can defend Uther much. Not even Arthur. BTw when did he speak ill of Uther? It always seemed to me of their difference of opinion and different POV.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">''<span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">I wonder how Uther would have reacted if anyone had ever dared to belittle and to disgrace either Arthur or Morgana. He surely would have never tolerated it. ''<span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">I wonder too, how would Uther have treated Merlin, had he known how freely he says to Arthur on his face about what an arrogant ass Arthur is, or the colorful words like clotpole, dollophead, cabbagehead etc. But its unfair to compare filial love of  a parent to that of what the children feel for them. Parent's love  mostly are unconditional flows downward towards children. It is not always reciprocated.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; background: #c3cfe9; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">''<span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN">The show was actually full of tactless behaviour and of great immatutrity and rude attitudes of the protagonists. The worst thing is that they were being described as the holy ones, as the heroes and as the ones who were always right. Ask the fans and they will tell you that it was all totally okay. Maybe it's because today, the media doesn't respect others anymore and in talk shows and reality TV shows people are exposed and humilitaed all the time. I think this (and much more) was a very bad example especially for the younger audiences. ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15.6pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span lang="EN" style="font-family: 'Georgia', 'serif'; color: #3a3a3a; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; mso-ansi-language: EN"> The show has a lot of bloopers, I will give you that. Lot of objectionable stuff were glossed over because the central characters were Heroe's who will do it. Merlin's complete lack of  respect for Arthur, him flounting rules time and again for example, behaviour of a lot of people. But ask any fan of any show, protagonists can do no wrong. I cannot believe I am writing this after spending  a huge amount of time in thinking and refuting all your points and defending the protagonists myself but there you go. Irony exists everywhere.

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